I know a lot of yah's on this forum, enjoy thumping that bible every nite as yah dream of jesus fucking yah up the ass and all. But WHY?! Rather what I'm trying to get at here, if yah'll forgive the crudeness of the above state-ment, is why do you follow this type of relgion?
Where you brought up with it as an young child, with parents who went to church everyday, and the hole commuine thing?
Or do you just simply wish to fill some undiscribed void in yah inner self, so as to protect you're self from the horrors of the world(war, famine, etc)? So that you can secretly blame some higher being, always saying "it's god will" or some such?
Or if yah don't follow that relgion, what one? and why?

Do keep this from turning into an flame war, we all did well with the gaymarriage thread so lets keep it up.

To get things going a little, ONLY one person on this forum probably knows my relgios views by simply knowing what my sig stands for, and it will stay that way if you'll please(only I should have the right to disclose it). Simply because ALOT of people will miss judge it. Though if asked Ill tell.

Now I use to follow the 'good book' as it where, but discovered after a while how some of the most stupidest things seemed a little taboo amongsts the hole, if yah will bible crowd. So I quickly lost faith as it where, and moved on to differante things. And in taboo, I mean when at bible camp I decided to get a drink of water, but the closest fountian was nearest the chaple we just came outa which was on the girls side of the camp. So I went, got me drink, only later to get lectured about "how the girls where shocked" and how I put them at risk or some shit, and decided never to go back there again. Not to mention how most view things like porn, drinking, and such. Or how only one half the bible should be followed and the other half all but ignored or for another reglion. You get the idea.


Goddamnit. I'll redit this again since when I started it someone called me and I got distracted by my phone converstation, and most of it got spreed onto here. cause oddly enough we where dicussing an article in a newspaper that bashed something we do. So most of this post got side tracked a little, and my thoughts interwined(not the best multitasker). opps forgot to finish this post too.

I'm "officially" Catholic but I have an open mind about other religions, science, etc. Some oxymoron, huh? I actually don't put a whole lot of faith into a lot of the Bible.

You know Untruedeath, if you don't want this to be a flame war, you really shouldn't write all the stuff you did, that's just asking for it.

I noticed, read the re-edit. I cant type and talk and think at hte same time.

i place little faith in the bible, itsa story book like the boy who cried wolf. if ya get the point of the story/moral, youve succeded in understanding what it teaches. many of its stories may be true, although i doubt god would would turn you to a pillar salt for looking back at your home that he just destroyed, and not do the same to the 2 young ladies who think the world has ended and deside to get their dad drunk and screw him.( - in refrence to soddam and gomorah (spelling?) for example perposes). i do believe in magic, which would require a strong soul, and a brain that can focus energy. i.e. jesus could cure leppers i hear.

I PLACE NO FAITH IN THE CHURCH, REPEAT, NO FAITH IN THE CHURCH. collection plate, alter (spelling?) building (jesus needs US to make him a house?). and theirs too many of them: catholic, baptist, 7th day avenglist (spelling?), [city name] assembly of god, puritan, etc.

and btw, should i bring up the attrocities of the catholic church when it had controll of government?

Um...wtf... You dont want a flame war but u pretty much call people bible thumpers and tell them that their religion is wrong(not exactly but u make the reasons for believeing in it sound harshfor example that it is only a scape goat and other crap) Religion is a big thing for some people so im pretty sure u can expect to be flamed or maybe not depends what the people on this forum believe ....You also say that it is to "Fill a void or because they were raised to believe it" ever thought that people could have read the bible...listened to others or preachers... and decided "You know what that sounds right" ....BTW what the fuck kinda bible camp did you go to... they dont even usually seperate girls and boys even if they do its not big deal if you go around em mainly because i know a councilor at one and its nothing like that ;P...
That was not a "flame" that was my statement on what i think on that topic
Btw i am Catholic... Half of the stuff in the bible is not even supposed to be taken literally.

I will respect your boundaries, and keep my mouth shut about your religion.


Anyway, I do agree with the others that your post was, shall we say, a bit inflammatory... but religion is always a passionate topic.

I myself happen to be atheist. It took me a long time to figure that out; I tried going to many different churches, interviewing religious authorities (priests and the like), and studying many different types of religion and spirituality. Eventually, I realized that I didn't believe in any god or spirit or anything else. took a long bloody time, though... spent a good 8 years figuring that one out!

I know it can be taken inflammatory. So dont take the bible thumper thing to literaly, or the anal sex thing(if you lived in my town, you'll understand why I made these commets most of the people who live here are like that in my eyes.). Like I stated, I was talking to a friend on an phone, about something that angered us both so it partly got spread into it. My moods govern my state of thought more so then anything, one of the problems of having a mood dissorder. That an discussion of relgion usally is, no matter what one you may pratict or believe in, is inflammatory. What I meant about the flame thing, was dont let all of it turn into pointless posts, at least be intelligent and open when you write the post like it so far has happend.

And yes Conn, I do realize the bible shouldn't be taken literaly, in fact. I cant help but cringe when people take most of the bible literaly, for most of it has been probably poorly translated over the years, or information lost. And to awnser yah question about the bible camp thing, one that strided itself on 'being' relgious. May they all burn in hell for warping my way of thinking, for half of my life.

And yes Slacker it does have an good message, but sometimes doesn't it feel like that message has been lost? When I look around all I see is the destruction of earth, and the rape of cutlers by the bible or other things. Take in point missanarys, it nice and all that you're willing to go out and spread the word of "god" like some of the bible teachs you too do. But not once have I read, or saw in the bible that it should teach you tolliarnce of other relgions, ussally when you encounter another relgion in the bible. It either conquored or they pester the culter till they succeded in making them believe in there god. And no you need not bring up how the church once contraled the goverment, I hate the vadician for that as much as anything or anyone, if anything the vadician helps spread the corrupt nature of the christian relgion.

Now about the filling of the void thing. MOST people do follow relgion just for that purpose, because they feel lost and misplaced on the earth and need a reason to make it "all" right for passed mistakes(most people I cant stress that enough, not all. So in other terms a small minority). And trust me, there are relgios fanitics out there who think it part of gods plan that most conterys suffer from starvation and the likes..

Angel thx for respecting that.

see untrue that was a well written well educated first and sounded alot better then your first that you wont get flamed for

Like I said, my moods govern me. Multi tasking is also not my strong point. besides, flamed or not. I dont care much, so long as it doesn't get outa hand.

I've been involved in this discussion here more than once, and what I have to say about it hasn't really changed. First let me say that if you haven't actually studied the particular religion yourself, then you aren't qualified to speak about it. This means to actually read their written doctrine, what it is that they actually believe. Speaking to somebody who is a member of said religion does not qualify as studying, whether it's a member or the head honcho him or herself. i understand that many of you may have had negative experiences w/ one or more churches, please bear in mind that just because a certain pastor is a representative of a church, doesn't mean that he follows the teachings of it. Most religions have excellent teachings to shape your lives by, however it is the members that pervert them and twist them to suit their own agendas.

AMEN TO THAT...i was going to mention that in a post but i only mentioned it in a tiny sentence in one of my other posts

I actualy have stuyied it, not to great depths mind you, but more so then the average person might have.

But yes, you are right. Members do twist and destroy what any relgion should be or might be. Unfortatnly, it ussally the assholes we all see. An example of this, was an incaddent that happend last year at the youth thing in toronto. A bunch of teens decided to spread the word of safe sex amongest there fellow christions and hand out condoms, when suddenly a nun outa now where began to pesture them, even reported them to the police for harasment. I witnessed this while watching a news program I regularly watch, that did a small thing on the group. Just because the 'pope' doesn't condome safe sex at the time. To my knowledge he still doesn't condome the use of condoms.

That's interesting you mention that Untruedeath, I once knew a nun who supported the use of condoms.

It's rather funny. While I watched the report, outa nowhere this kindly looking old ladly with that black head thing on(the proper name of it escapes me) screamed "sinners" and deliberly spread lies to others that the teens where satanists or the likes and should be avoided. It pisses me off to no avial, that people are willing to listen to half the things the pope says and take it all to heart.

When what really should be done in my eyes, is everyone ignore the vadicion. Look at how they dealt with all those cases of child molistation, the news has reported that some of the bishops or cardonoles*sp* tried to keep it under raps from public view, for fear of scandle.

where in the bible does it say that contaceptives (spelling?) are a product of satan straight from the depths of burning fire?

just one of a few questions i might send out at some other point in time

I dont think you can make a statement about the cardinals or pope... if you were in a position of power like that who knows how you would respond...you can agree that the people have the right to know or you can argue the its better the people dont and the problem is dealt with quietly so the people dont lose respect for all priests and build stereotypes kinda like almost every person is doing now...
In responce to the other post about contraceptives in the bible... i dunno go READ the ENTIRE bible then come back and if u didnt see it at all...you can ask that question...ok?
CONNOR SHOOTS HE SCORES!

Alright Conn. Think of it like this, later in life you have kids. You have the perfect little life, 2 kids, a happy wife, a great job. You go to church or place of worhship for yah praticulor religion regularly. Now over time, you begin to notice rather queer behavour from you're son, or daughter. They seem withdrawn, depressed, and at times destressed around strangers, or people even familour too them.
Now after some councilling, and perhapes if your the type, some meetings with yah local religious leader of yah praticulor faith. Little johnny and ann, suddenly start saying stuff like "But daddy, they touched me in places and threatened that I will go to hell if I tell anyone." Naturely your pissed, right pissed. I would be, I know I would be. You address you're local bishop of the matter, he says. "Keep it underaps, we'll deal with." you being a morron that you are, decide to say "Sure, why not. I trust you're desicions." the leader who did these acts is moved to another perish, a new perish who dont know about this act, and the man/woman continues to pray on children.. All the while you feel as if everything was taken care of, because you decided not to question things further or take it to the authorities since you blindly follow you're relgion.

Life begins anew for you and you're family. Soon after some years of very private concilling the kids get over it. But what this?! You hear on the news that some religious leader has been molesting children, and guess what? That leader just happens to be the man/woman who touched Johnny, and Ann in the wrong places, where after they forced the kids to beat'em off.

It assholes like you, who think that people in power always know best. And, decide to let them hide shit like this because they dont want some big fucking scandle happening make me sick, cause you're too scared to ask questions.. When all it took was a report to the cops, a sudden hint to the media, or not letting the problem die.

Slacker, because for most people, not all. Condoms are seen as preventing life. And that the way the pope seen/see's it.

no... a i didnt say i supported either statement i just gave both ways it could be argued. b.Your the one whos talking you should be in power
FUCKHEAD!...sorry you called me an asshole

And I was giving my pov.


This is an side note. It took me twenty minutes, something that once took me five minutes to find in the bible
anyawys, this is probably how the pope or why the pope right now may be against the use of condoms(if his stance hasnt changed).

Leviticus: 15 Discharges Causing Uncleanness. (notice if you read this chapter, it says "Whether it continues flowing from his body or is blocked." I have an NEw International Bible, and an old King James somewhere

The hole thing about what the above tittle sugests. Now this is where confusion about the bible comes in. Where they talking about masterbation?(which I know somewhere in the old testement and a little in the new it address just cant remember the damn book or whatever)
Or was the hole thing about taking a shit? or pissing himself? Or was it about sex? And why priests take those valves, to not screw anymore.

That is not a problem w/ the religion at all. That is a problem created by people who happen to be a member of the religion. I am a parent, and I can tell you that if somebody molested my kids, there would be hell to pay regardless of my religion, or whether it was a priest or the friggin president of the US.
Seeing as Catholicism is a christian religion, allow me to explain what the term "Christian" means.


Christian: One who lives according to the teachings of Jesus.

So to me, this says that any priest, or pastor of another christian church, that participates in this type of behavior can hardly call themselves christian. Can they? As a matter of fact how many people that profess to be Christians, can actually say that they strive to live worthy of that title? I would say very few.

I know, that is why I think NOONE really should consider themselves to be a christian(or should use labels for any religion, it human nature to label something out of lazyness[I fit into this group] or out of simple ignorance.), simply because it'll be impossiable to exactly say what holds true to the bible, when it comes to Jesus. Lets not forgot the fact that people all probably praise the man in differante fashions.
Sure, we have bibles now that highlight his words in red, but how sure can we be he said these words? I've heard differante versions, you've heard differante versions. Like one of my favourate comidiens once said. "Sure we all believe jesus walked across water, but we think it was during the winter." along those lines anyway.

Also, it rather disturbing that even though it not part of the religion. Priests, did try to cover it up, for fear of scandle because they simply didn't want the 'church' to get an bad rep. I know cover-ups of this sort of behavor also goes well beyond any orginized religion, so dont think I just think that only church going people molest children.

connor shoots he <span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'>SUCKS </span>

in response to UD 3rd to last post (in the last sentence): maybe we should send them into India, Somalia, Detroit, or any other place where famine and war plague a land of high population what life would be prevented through contraception?

that may be true that i suck but what does that have to do with this topic?

None. One of my female friends from Michigian, got pregent while on birth contral, and the father wearing an condom. She was also not fertile at the time.

I dont think it'll prevent life, but remember. we're talking about an orginazation that thinks having children raised by the same types of parents is wrong. I do see where they're comming from on this one, but still personaly dont think they should be denied that right flat out, simply cause some morron in a tall white hat wishes it to be so.
And guys,keep the name calling to minimune, I called conn an asshole cause I miss read his post.

bah, god is just something that ppl use to measure how much they need to believe that their own fucking fault arent their fault

atleast thats what i think