Good Evil or niether?

Feb. 12, 2007 @ 8:56 PM
# 26
Ness222Rank 4: Major General (912 Points) Ness222

My apologies. I was hostile. I just hate religion because it's evil in itself. There's no way around that.

Feb. 13, 2007 @ 8:54 AM
# 27
XxHoundxXRank 3: Lieutenant General (1,237 Points) XxHoundxX

That was a bit harsh heh.. But I'll have to voice my opinion as well.

I don't believe in the bible, and I'm saying that in the most unoffensive way possible. It's never gotten out of my head how a few books became truth and then became a religion, a system of government in some cases, and ultimately, a method of control. Those are my thoughts on it all, by all means disagree but please. Do not shower me with bible verses.

Questions? Comments? Flaming? And flaming, by the way, has never been the same since Homer left. I used to never touch foot in that place when his drunk ass was around..


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Feb. 13, 2007 @ 9:09 AM
# 28
Ness222Rank 4: Major General (912 Points) Ness222

Another thing... Once you start to compare and contrast all the religions, they're basically all saying the same thing. Even the damn stories are the same, and yet people are fighting over them. Making relgion into an organized thing was the biggest mistake of all time.

My take on religion: Some shit went down and the people didn't have the mental capacity to understand these events, so they came up with a way to explain it that would make sense to people, then it all turns into a giant game of telephone where facts are distorted and events are glorified. Now you've got religion.

Feb. 13, 2007 @ 10:29 AM
# 29
Cookman69Rank 7: Major (276 Points) Cookman69

well thats alright. You can have your opinions.

I think its better to have a hope than to be stuck in the s**ter with no way out.

I also agree that religion in itself is screwed up (Think about the middle ages where pagans tried the make thier teachings more 'christian' mainly by f**king up the scriptures)

also Back in the dark ages, most people were killed just for owning a bible.

But the essence of why I believe my religion is because I can see that this world is going no where, and no ones going to be able to stop that... except the person who made this dreadful universe...

but if im wrong, at least i tried to make a difference right?

Feb. 13, 2007 @ 10:39 AM
# 30
Ness222Rank 4: Major General (912 Points) Ness222

Cookman69 wrote:
well thats alright. You can have your opinions.

I think its better to have a hope than to be stuck in the s**ter with no way out.

I also agree that religion in itself is screwed up (Think about the middle ages where pagans tried the make thier teachings more 'christian' mainly by f**king up the scriptures)

also Back in the dark ages, most people were killed just for owning a bible.

But the essence of why I believe my religion is because I can see that this world is going no where, and no ones going to be able to stop that... except the person who made this dreadful universe...

but if im wrong, at least i tried to make a difference right?


You've got the whole part about the pagans backwards. It was the pagans who were butchered for having their own beliefs, and the Romans paganized Christianity to make it more appealing to the masses. No offense to anyone, but the Christians were pretty much the assholes of the middle ages.

Props to you though for being able to have that hope. Someone asked me once why I wasn't a Christian. He said, "Well what happens if you're right? You die and nothing happens right? But what if you're wrong? Would it be worth it to go to Hell?" That really was the turning point in my view on Christianity. It's no longer about faith, it's fear that keeps people in. It's better to not believe in somthing rather than to fear it and follow blindly.

But, you're different because you're not doing it out of fear (I hope for your sake). If you're doing it out of fear, you're living a lie.

Feb. 13, 2007 @ 3:56 PM
# 31
Cookman69Rank 7: Major (276 Points) Cookman69

Ness222 wrote:
No offense to anyone, but the Christians were pretty much the assholes of the middle ages.


Yeah thats why we call all other 'Christian' religions Christiandom, which basically means an empire of false christian
teachings...

also the whole thing on hell bieng a fiery torment... Thats just not believable why would god want to hurt people for
all eternity? Thats a long time! That does not sound a very loving thing for god to do... Isnt god suppost to be love?

Geeze it seems every time I comment its about my religion...

Feb. 14, 2007 @ 6:50 AM
# 32
KurisuRank 4: Major General (1,226 Points) Kurisu

Yeah lets try and stay away from making this a religion forum guys :)

How about those good evil or neither guys in video games :P


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Feb. 14, 2007 @ 8:04 AM
# 33
Ness222Rank 4: Major General (912 Points) Ness222

I'm always evil on the KOTOR games. They've got the best powers.

Feb. 14, 2007 @ 10:13 AM
# 34
KurisuRank 4: Major General (1,226 Points) Kurisu

Actually so am I.

I find it more fun to be evil and just kill people and steal than doing good deeds.


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Feb. 14, 2007 @ 12:08 PM
# 35
Cookman69Rank 7: Major (276 Points) Cookman69

when i play sonic adventure 2, Im allways shadow, or (in 2 player) Metal sonic.

Oh and i have 2 evil chaos and 2 good chaos, my favorite being a dark Chao i called onichao!

Man, those crazy things are cute...

Feb. 15, 2007 @ 3:36 AM
# 36
XxHoundxXRank 3: Lieutenant General (1,237 Points) XxHoundxX

i played fable the other day. killing people, namely children, is more fun than hitting wasps with a sword.


I'm seven feet tall and I kick over buildings.
Feb. 15, 2007 @ 8:17 AM
# 37
Ness222Rank 4: Major General (912 Points) Ness222

XxHoundxX wrote:
i played fable the other day. killing people, namely children, is more fun than hitting wasps with a sword.


Hells yeah. Going into that school place is really fun. Punching kiddos.

Golden.

Feb. 15, 2007 @ 8:44 AM
# 38
Cookman69Rank 7: Major (276 Points) Cookman69

I finished the game as good, then I did it as evil.

Its cool in the pc version you get a pimp hat!

Feb. 15, 2007 @ 11:34 AM
# 39
MakenshiRank 8: Captain (154 Points) Makenshi

Well the way i believe is this (Christian). One day someone came up to Jesus and said good master blah blah ect.... Jesus said why do you call me good? There is none good but God. Seriously do you think you can be good? I dont think so. We are sinners and that is not good. lol So how do we get to heaven? Hmmmmmmmmmmmm... Says in the bible Jesus gave his life to save you. His blood covers your sins and since you are a sinner and saved by the blood of Jesus you are you longer under the condemnation of sin.. Whats that mean its means God sees his sons blood on you which makes you good in Gods sight. God is Good. The devil is evil. Satan leave me the hell alone and get behind me i sin enough as it is loser!

lol hmmm k now dont bash me for being a christian everyone! :D Be GOOD NOW!! Oops sry you cant. :P J/K *wink*

Edited by Makenshi on Feb. 15, 2007 @ 11:36 AM

Feb. 16, 2007 @ 11:17 AM
# 40
Cookman69Rank 7: Major (276 Points) Cookman69

Oh if anyone is to be bashed, it is me for being a Jehovah's witness... Its like this:

Knock Knock...

Hello! do you want to change your religion and everything that you believe in?

Not bloodly likely.

Ok.... Would you like a watchtower? :P

Feb. 16, 2007 @ 12:19 PM
# 41
MakenshiRank 8: Captain (154 Points) Makenshi

There was these same guys that kept coming to my house. They were Jehovah's witness. They knew i was Christian. I was all by myself and there was 3 of them. lol Gosh i love people. I dont have anything against Jehovah's witness. I love all people and hope that only the truth is said about everything in life. Well one day they came to my door and they wanted to read from the bible. I said ok ^^b. Man we debated so much and my beliefs were so different from theirs. One of them said "Your knowledge on the bible is great im very impressed." I was ready i wasnt going to get twisted up. I felt as if "God" was with me. Next week only 2 came back and from now on. I never saw that guy again the one that complemented me.

I kept feeling that God wanted me to do something so i just believed what i believed about the bible. They would say to me that Jesus was just a man. I said no he was God too. Then they wanted to discuss the names of God and i asked what is Gods name. They said Jehovah. I said you cant just call God by one name cause God has many names. Hundreds of names God has and he dont stick to one name. I could go on and on about how these people were mis interpreting the bible from my point of view. I felt really bad. Another thing is in the past watchtower indorsed some pretty scary things like in the 1950s a little box about the size of a radio was made its purpose was to give you high voltage shock to your body. The watchtower magazine indorsed it on there front page. They claimed that it could heal anyone and that it was the future of getting healed of all illnesses. It turned out to be a crock and they disbanded the idea from there magazine. There is also 100s of weird things about what watchtower claimed and to this day there all disbanded as truth from there past. In the watchtower now they talk about the future of peace and green grass and someday the earth will be like this soon.

The truth is that the world is going in the wrong direction and that God will take the church from the earth(The rapture). Then the anti-christ will cause all kinds of problems and cause major evil. God will punish all on the earth with 7 plagues+ more and a pit will open (God opens it). Its discribed in the bible as locust with faces of lions and the body of man. They will have stingers like scorpions and they will plauge man kind. Hmmmmmm so what are they? They are demons so bad your gonna wish you were dead cause the evil on the earth will be so great. There just the same as the demons today you cant see them but these demons from the pit are extra bad. lol I dont want to meet them God get me outta here. XD Ok im off topic probally introuble with this post and you guys dont want to hear any more i bet. Im sry. lol Ill shut up now but always remember before you take a cookie from the cookie jar when mom says no dont do it, dont do it cause youll be sorry. ;)

Feb. 17, 2007 @ 8:36 AM
# 42
Cookman69Rank 7: Major (276 Points) Cookman69

Yes even ive heard of Jehovah's witnesses using mind control technology...

but those cases were just a few and far between, and if it makes u feel any better, I don't believe out of fear, or because someone told me it was right, Its because it just makes sense to me.

http://www.watchtower.org/library/rq/article_11.htm

http://www.watchtower.org/library/g/2000/6/22/diagram_01.htm

here are some interesting links you might like on those subjects.

Now look Im not one for religious debates, because they just don't go anywhere, you believe whatever the f**k you
want and thats fine with me ok? And in the end we are all going to die anyway right? So lets just enjoy what we have
and try and get off this topic...

Cant we all just get along?

Feb. 17, 2007 @ 8:41 AM
# 43
Ness222Rank 4: Major General (912 Points) Ness222

Cookman69 wrote:
Cant we all just get along?


Totally. I ended my argument a few posts ago.

Speaking of mind control... has anyone ever read up about MK-ULTRA?

Feb. 17, 2007 @ 9:06 AM
# 44
Cookman69Rank 7: Major (276 Points) Cookman69

MK-ULTRA?

what the hell is that?

Feb. 17, 2007 @ 10:16 AM
# 45
Ness222Rank 4: Major General (912 Points) Ness222

Cookman69 wrote:
MK-ULTRA?

what the hell is that?


During the Cold War, the CIA tried to use LSD to brainwash people and control their minds.

It's pretty interesting. Sirhan Sirhan claimed to be brainwashed by the MK-ULTRA program.

Feb. 17, 2007 @ 12:05 PM
# 46
Cookman69Rank 7: Major (276 Points) Cookman69

lol Sirhan Sirhan wtf?

sounds interesting... I guess its Wiki time!

Feb. 17, 2007 @ 10:22 PM
# 47
Ness222Rank 4: Major General (912 Points) Ness222

Cookman69 wrote:
lol Sirhan Sirhan wtf?

sounds interesting... I guess its Wiki time!


Sirhan Sirhan was the guy who assassinated Robert F. Kennedy

Feb. 18, 2007 @ 8:49 AM
# 48
Cookman69Rank 7: Major (276 Points) Cookman69

Project MKULTRA (also known as MK-ULTRA) was the code name for a CIA mind-control research program that began in the 1950s. There is much published evidence that the project involved not only the use of drugs to manipulate persons, but also the use of electronic signals to alter brain functioning.

Central Intelligence Agency documents suggest that the agency considered and explored uses of radiation for the purpose of mind control as part of MKULTRA. Other early efforts focused on LSD, which appears to have formed the majority of research as time went on. Experiments included administering the drug to CIA employees, military personnel, doctors, other government agents, prostitutes, mentally ill patients, and members of the general public in order to study their reactions, usually without the subject's knowledge.

The experiments often took a sadistic turn. Gottlieb was known to torture victims by locking them in sensory deprivation chambers while under the psychedelic influence of LSD, or to make recordings of psychiatric patients' therapy sessions, and then play a tape loop of the patient's most self-degrading statement over and over through headphones after the patient had been restrained in a straitjacket and dosed with LSD. Gottlieb himself took LSD frequently, locking himself in his office and taking copious notes.

Efforts to "recruit" subjects were often illegal even discounting the fact that drugs were being administered (though actual use of LSD, for example, was legal in the United States until 1967). In Operation Midnight Climax, the CIA set up several brothels to obtain a selection of men who would be too embarrassed to talk about the events. The brothels were equipped with one-way mirrors and the "sessions" were taped for later viewing.

Some subjects' participation was consensual, and in these cases, the subjects appeared to be singled out for even more horrific experiments. In one case, a selection of volunteers were given LSD for 69 days straight.

LSD was eventually dismissed by the researchers as too unpredictable in its effects.Although useful information was sometimes obtained through questioning subjects on LSD, not uncommonly the most marked effect would be the subject's absolute and utter certainty that they were able to withstand any form of interrogation attempt, even physical torture.

this sounds like heavy government stuff, Imagine taking LSD for 69 days straight? Serious!

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