I've been thinking about the nature of emulation. When I got into it I was all about the N64 roms that I wanted and they were still relativity new or I couldn't find them and buy (even if I tried). The something for nothing side of it was also pretty cool (well the search and eventual find of a certain rom was tedious and rewarding). Too the point...is the age of the system and roms that we cater to and or dedicate our sites to aging us too? Not in the time passes (old men/women) way. But, the keeping with the times and what people think emulation is today.

It would be logical to move on to PS2, Xbox, Gamecube or even older systems like the PSone, Dreamcast and even the N64. The amount of money, server space and not to mention lawyers needed to run a site like that would be immense.

On the other hand the GBA holds some awesome roms that don't have the space, copy protection and or means of obtaining them that the next-gen consoles require (we will forget about how legal they are for now).

I'm not criticizing theroms (it's my virtual home after all) and most of the conversation on here is far from emulation (which is great, it's a forum with roms after all). Isn't the the common emulation interest that we had and the need for further info on the subject is what brought us here in the first place?


Kinda long winded huh? I'm not acting all high and mighty (maybe high though ) it's just a quick thought I had.

nice to see ya again rjd, and yes, long thought. im not going over to xbox and such yet, but i have been digging up other goodies, like saturn and 3do games. my how the scene spreads from simple websites to various p2p networks

<!--QuoteBegin-slacker52+May 5 2004, 12:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (slacker52 @ May 5 2004, 12:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> nice to see ya again [/quote]
Yea, its been a while bro.

I got some mine all mine (as in none of that free wait till they catch me and take down all my hard work shit) web space. We should load it to the gills with some awesome NES roms.

What kind of Saturn/3DO games are you finding (I have neither the connection or the will to download them...well I owned Nights, Dragon Force, Daytona USA, Soviet Strike and a Saturn for a week and I wouldn't mind playing them again)? I've been catching up on the PS2 emulation news and to tell you the truth I thought it'd be a lot further along by now (don't get me wrong though there is some nice progress).

I've been out of the emulation loop for so long that all my regular PSone, N64, SNES, NES and GBA sites have dropped off the the face of the earth. Maybe you can hook me up with some reliable sites (I'm searching for Metroid: Zero Mission and Superstar Saga at the moment).

just thinking about it though dude.... decent emus take years to perfect... N64 and PSX emu sites will become more common when people get it 98% right for ALL games.... DC emu is what I'm interested in though....

rjd, if your gonna look for any copies of cd based games, websites are just not enough anymore. if your gonna look, look where ive been looking and sharing: Direct Connect [using DC++], Emule, and Bit Torrent [i use ABC]. such places have oodles and oodles of such games, mainly dc hubs like classic sega and sega palace. its the way to go these days.
btw im affraid ps2 emulation is going to take quite some time to be any better, due to the fact that one needs a fairly high end pc to run anything

I dunno. I think the gaming companys are wising up. Nintendos next console is suppose to have been confirmed, backwards compatble for gamecube games by nintedos presidant himself. Playstation 3(so orginal ) is rumored to be able to play all three, psone,2, and three games. Since the market currently demands this.

XBOX2 won't be backwards compatible but Bill Gates will still be pouring endless amounts of money into a console that makes no money

isnt microsoft changing chipsets? i read that somewhere, just not sure where

Backwards compatibility is a cool concept. Although the games (not big time classics, but a few favorites none the less) I played on the PS2, ran with soundtrack drops and crash problems. I'm sure Nintendo may put more thought into their backwards compatible games (for the sole reason of their new and old classics playing perfect), but what incentive does bigger companies have? What they are doing with BC is essentially emulation and from my experience with a few PS2 titles it does have the bugs that the original hardware didn't. I know a certain amount of piracy and unwillingness to jump into a PC/Mac market may hinder them or conflict with their console heritage, but I'm sure a great part of the fans would pay for a perfect emulation of some of their older systems.

Would anybody else pay for a perfectly compatible (insert console here) emulator?

You already can from sega, if oyu live in japan. if i'm not mistaken they've gotten up there own inhouse emulator for the saturn, and the mega drive. Thx to this, we got can download an cracked version of it.
As for nintendo making sure they do it right. They have, if anyone here was lucky enough to get that disk from them with all the zelda's on it. All they assently did was emulate these titles. Shit, they've done it with the sonic megacollection to, if you looked at the pictures. All they had to do for this, was use the on board ram. Rumour has it, these are the specs for nintendos next system.
X-box 2 is suppose to be going with ATI.
System 1:

2.7 Ghz PowerPC G5 Processor
512 Megs total Ram (128 for video, 64 for sound)
600 Mhz graphics chip

System 2:

Dual 1.8 Ghz IBM G5 PowerPC processors
256 Megs DDR Main memory (64 dedicated to sound, using a 7.1 sound system at 196 Khz)
128 Megs GDDR3 Video memory
500 Mhz graphics chip (ATI developed, 16 Pixel Pipe, 220 Million transistors

I call bullshit on those specs, microsoft and motorola (apple) teaming up? hahaahaha...no.

just like soy milk, it sounds like bullshit on a stick

<!--QuoteBegin-Tetsuo+May 7 2004, 02:38 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Tetsuo @ May 7 2004, 02:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I call bullshit on those specs, microsoft and motorola (apple) teaming up? hahaahaha...no. [/quote]
Those are for nintendos next system.

<!--QuoteBegin-UntrueDeath+May 7 2004, 01:23 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (UntrueDeath @ May 7 2004, 01:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Those are for nintendos next system. [/quote]
It would seem logical that Apple and Nintendo would migrate toward each other. They seem to have the same business plan. As in, quality and not necessarily quantity.

i was thinking of there wanting to be the sole owner of their stuff and not licence their stuff that much

<!--QuoteBegin-Tha Masster+May 6 2004, 09:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Tha Masster @ May 6 2004, 09:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> XBOX2 won't be backwards compatible but Bill Gates will still be pouring endless amounts of money into a console that makes no money [/quote]
Yeah. I'd do it too if I was ignorant and billions of dollars at my fingertips...

Hey! That sounds a lot like Bush to me! XBOX2 is to Bill Gates as Iraq is to Bush. lol

Anyway, RJD makes a good point about emulation and stuff.

Actually Nintendo has been doing that with their last two home consoles. I mean pumping money into a losing game (pun intended). The Pokemon craze actually put more then 6 billion dollars into their coffers (games, licencing and rights), with that money they can experiment, which means awesome hits and terrible misses across all their platforms. At this point emulation across the next-gen systems isn't really an enemy, unless you didn't want to release a perfect emu yourself and wanted to spend the money on fighting one like Sony did with Bleem! (after exhausting bleem!'s legal resources to fight them, they eventually bought out the company in the end).

Essentially the console market (Sony, Nintendo, and their third-party developers) is missing the big picture as in the PC/Mac is a viable console alternative to revive and make faithfull adaptions of their most coveted hits.

As a perplexed console engineer might of wondered. "What system will allow backwards compatibility (PSone, N64, SNES, Genesis you name it), which system will allow our system to forge forward with our own innovation (such as gameplay and technology), and can we get rid of the proprietary hardware that limits our mulitplayer software from being accesible to millions (This point is self explanatory to anyone reading this with internet access.)

In the end, I'm not asking for an upgradable Nintendo made PC/Mac that has this big fucking handle that I can carry to a friends house just so I can play games with them. I certainly don't want to upgrade my console with peripherals that a PC in my home already has. I really don't want to pick a fav system and stock it up with software and extras unless its got the staying power to earn my money and doesn't have a lifespan that's 4 or 5 years from when I buy it. I love my still playable (and with great library) NES, SNES, Genesis, TG16, N64 and PSone. I wouldn't change those systems and their limitations for nothing, but innovation and willingness to adopt a proven medium (the PC) with unlimited upgradabilty, killer online support and uncounted current/potential users.

That would be a wise move for the consoles. The only thing the console makers would have to address is game performance (across all configs) and piracy (I happily pay for my own copy of a quality game, as do most others) .

<!--QuoteBegin-Tha Masster+May 7 2004, 05:15 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Tha Masster @ May 7 2004, 05:15 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> XBOX2 won't be backwards compatible but Bill Gates will still be pouring endless amounts of money into a console that makes no money [/quote]
that has not been confirmed yet, and also your second statement, i believe, is no longer true, and makes me mad considering i love the stuff it gots to offer. RJD, i think of nintendo/apple more as trying to appeal to the general masses more rather than going for specific crowds like microsoft and sony do with their products *shrugs*.